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Digital Tick Certification Scandal
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Further to comments in the teletext thread.
Is your box on this list? If not, are you aware that your box is incompatable with the DTT service. Did you buy that box with the digital tick certification on, even though its not certified.
Broadcasters are not obliged to support boxes which are not certified, hence the problems with teletext, down to uncertified boxes not using the correct standards to interpret the mheg code.
This list is up-to date as all vestel boxes have recently been removed from the list.
http://www.digitaltelevision.gov.uk/searchdigitaltv/SearchResults.aspx?type=ListEquipment
Let's keep this thread going, and expose this scandal of flooding the UK with boxes which are not compliant with DTT in the UK.
Especially exposing companies like curry's who think that being able to decode dvb-t means a box can get a digital tick and they will sell to customers based on this.
Is your box on this list? If not, are you aware that your box is incompatable with the DTT service. Did you buy that box with the digital tick certification on, even though its not certified.
Broadcasters are not obliged to support boxes which are not certified, hence the problems with teletext, down to uncertified boxes not using the correct standards to interpret the mheg code.
This list is up-to date as all vestel boxes have recently been removed from the list.
http://www.digitaltelevision.gov.uk/searchdigitaltv/SearchResults.aspx?type=ListEquipment
Let's keep this thread going, and expose this scandal of flooding the UK with boxes which are not compliant with DTT in the UK.
Especially exposing companies like curry's who think that being able to decode dvb-t means a box can get a digital tick and they will sell to customers based on this.
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Companies like Curry's have to adhere to these rules, rather than the lie that their license allows them to give every dvb-t box a digital tick sticker.
The rules for having the digital tick are as follows:
We know the e-mail address, let's shop these fraudsters who are ripping us off and offering sub-standard non-compliant equipment falsely.
What does a shop and a manufacturer need to do exactly for this sticker? Are there any exceptions allowed like the manufacturer commiting to acheiving the criteria before the end of the year or something?
EDIT: didnt see post 2 - still havent read all of it!
Thomson = pants
Sagem & Setpals = very good boxes, and more reliable than the Thomson DTi2300.
How is falsely labelling your equipment with a copyrighted and protected logo thats supposed to ensure compliancy with digital tv in the uk a technical or communication problem? People are complaining that their "digital tick" equipment doesn't work with teletext, we've worked out that the equipment isn't certified and the manufacturer illegally put on the digital tick logo. The FAQ above clearly states that action should be taken. It is a scandal, and it needs investigating and stopping.
How are people supposed to know who makes their boxes?...for example, how would the average person know they have a Vestel receiver anyway?
This isn't foolproof...it's not as simple as it looks.
It's just a shame they haven't released it over the air
We could provide screenshots for people check their software versions. This thread is all about helping people. Anything we can do really to promote certified boxes will be a start in sorting this mess out. It'll force all the non-compliant boxes out of the market.
Oh, National emergency? Code Red.?
Only the Panasonics with DVD included are on the list. I think they are made by a different team than their Freeview only receiver boxes.
also
http://www.dtg.org.uk/publications/books/dbook_ch22.pdf
Which is strange, as I have a Sony device which has a digital tick sticker stuck to the front of it, and even a cardboard stand-up-able digital tick thingy (for shop display purposes, presumably) stuck to the top, and this was brand new out of the box (which, incidentally, also had the digital tick printed on it)
Chris
Take as long as you want, the longer you leave it, the harder it will be to reverse the situation.
It's not strange at all Chrisy, Curry's are selling boxes as certified when they aren't and yesterday someone mentioned Onn printing the tick on the packing when vestel software isn't certified.
Will be interesting to see the list in September when the new mheg version is compulsory.
Anything approved before 31/08 will still be OK to display the Tick so the list will be the same.
Not true. It can just mean that the manufacturer hasn't submitted it for testing. The DTG test is expensive and some of the manufacturers of cheaper STBs probably won't bother.
I can't see it being that expensive. As far as I'm aware there's a £95 charge, the owness is then on the DTI and the DTG to ensure the box is compliant. When you say cheaper STB's, what do you mean? Cheaper boxes tend to be cheap because they havn't had the money spent on them to provide compliancy.
Further to that, there's no excuse for those boxes to display the digital tick, or for curry's to slap digital tick stickers on every box they sell.
"Onus"
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For example, the DTG (not DTT) receiver requirements indicate, amongst other things like MHEG and AFD, issues such as what is supposed to happen when a box detects multiple copies of particular channels, down to specifying which numbers the duplicates are assigned to.
In theory, you could have a box that behaves perfectly in every other respect, but puts duplicate channels on, say, 1000+ instead of 800+; it wouldn't meet the requirements, and wouldn't get a tick.
But to say that it's "incompatible with DTT" as a result is something of a stretch, in my view.
The tick is supposed to give confidence that a box has passed ALL the relevant tests, and yes, it's slightly worrying (though not exactly a major scandal, in my view) when boxes are given the tick when they shoudn't be.
But please, let's not fall into the trap of assuming that because a box doesn't have the tick, it's useless and will one day stop working, or is guaranteed to cause users lots of problems.
There are some crap boxes out there, and better certification and policing of certification will help, but telling people they have bought something useless because it doesn't have the tick is still scaremongering, just like it was a couple of months ago when the original poster started an almost identical thread.
Nigel.
Besides, they can't even get the list straight in the first place - the Goodmans GDB 3 is the archetypal Vestel box and is still on there...