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250GB Hard Drive in Sky+

[Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12
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I installed a 250GB hard drive in my Pace v2 SKy+ box several months ago.

Until the recent software download, the Sky+ box didn't "see" more than 137GB, but following the download it now appears to see all of the drive space.

I currently have 62 hours of recorded material and the (now fixed!) free space indicator is showing 43% free, implying that it can "see" enough space to record 109 hours of material (thereby pretty much using up all of the 250GB?).

I'll try and fill up the disk to confirm and let you all know if it works.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 166
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    I was going to put one in over the weekend. Sounds like good news. Once its full be worth testing all the recording still play :-)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 460
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    If so this is brilliant news. If you please see how it goes and keep me posted i'd much appreciate it.

    Also i know many people have extra fans etc to prevent overheating, if you could state if you are using and if so how much and easy to install that would be fantastic. 250gb on sky+ would be superb, I know for sure having Sky+ beats having to set up things to record on a DVD Recorder. I also got many footy matches to record on my sky box once that football first comes out!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 371
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    If this 250Gb drive is proved in a Sky+ v2 box, and subsequently in a V1 box, then roll on an Hitachi 400Gb drive in my Sky+!!

    Just a question, has anyone ever tried connected two drives to Sky+ via a two connector IDE cable? Does anyone know what happens?

    Glenn
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,090
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    To think that only a few weeks ago some of us 120Gb boys were considering "downgrading" to 80Gb to get round the 17 min bug! Now us 120Gb users look like small fry :(
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 68
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    I currently have 62 hours of recorded material and the (now fixed!) free space indicator is showing 43% free, implying that it can "see" enough space to record 109 hours of material (thereby pretty much using up all of the 250GB?).


    You have 62 hours of recordings on 57% of your hd but you can get 109hrs on the remaining 43%? Does the sky+ compress differently the more of the hd you use?

    Is it a fixed compression, with the Humax its 2 gig per hour of recording - not nit picking but that doesnt add up. Or is it just me??? :confused:
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    andyjbandyjb Posts: 67
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    gurry2 wrote:
    You have 62 hours of recordings on 57% of your hd but you can get 109hrs on the remaining 43%? Does the sky+ compress differently the more of the hd you use?

    Is it a fixed compression, with the Humax its 2 gig per hour of recording - not nit picking but that doesnt add up. Or is it just me??? :confused:
    It's just you. He wrote that he could get 109 hours in all. That's 47 hours on the remaining 43%.
    -Andy
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    cjgperscjgpers Posts: 1,768
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    I currently have 62 hours of recorded material and the (now fixed!) free space indicator is showing 43% free, implying that it can "see" enough space to record 109 hours of material (thereby pretty much using up all of the 250GB?).
    But what type of material is this 62 hours. Any radio broadcasts? Any really low-bandwidth channels such as Sci-Fi or LivingTV? For example, I have some recordings on LivingTV that are 56 minutes and report as 3% of a 40gb drive. That would give me 107 hours in 137gb.
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    Mark AMark A Posts: 7,692
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    Wow, and I thought losing 20 hours of precious recordings would be traumatic enough when the drive inevitably goes belly up, let alone 109 hours worth.

    Regards

    Mark
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    andyjbandyjb Posts: 67
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    Having installed a 120gb in my replacement box , I've got the Maxtor "QuickVIEW" 2F040L0 the box came with on my desk. Check out Maxtor.com! There's a 250gb QuickVIEW, already standard equipment in some PVRs. QuickVIEW HDDs are Maxtor's specialists for PVRs.
    As soon as the dust settles (ie., it's clear whether existing boxes with the new software can really use all 250gb), I'll be installing a 250gb QuickVIEW. Thanks to some of you, we'll soon know whether the hardware (controller) in the existing boxes really can't cope with more than 137gb.
    BTW, Maxtor are bringing out an external "QuickVIEW Expander" (250gb HDD inside) in the Fall, with 3 attachment possibilities to a PVR - USB or ? or ? - Check out maxtor.com.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12
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    Quick Update:

    Now over 80 hours and still seems ok. I've sampled a few recordings and all seem to play, pause, ff and rewind (all speeds) with no problems - also, no sign of the 17 minute bug.

    In response to the query on the fan, I have not done anything other than replace the hard drive, but I have been running the box pretty hard for several months now and have not noticed any abnormal heating.

    In response to the query on bandwidth, the recordings are almost exclusively from the Sky Movies channels and there are no radio or low bandwith tv recordings.

    Will keep you posted as I fill up the disk.
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    cjgperscjgpers Posts: 1,768
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    In response to the query on bandwidth, the recordings are almost exclusively from the Sky Movies channels and there are no radio or low bandwith tv recordings.
    That's great news. My logging of bitrates would suggest that at Sky Movie or Sky One bitrates (approx 5.1mbps) you would indeed get 109 hours on a 250gb drive.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 27
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    What Make/Model drive is this?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 301
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    Interesting. I've just bought a 200GB drive which was to replace a 120GB drive I have in an external enclosure, with the 120GB destined for Sky+. If these tests pan out I may just insert the 200GB straight into Sky+ - although I have to admit that I am not sure I actually *need* all of this storage!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12
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    gebbetta wrote:
    What Make/Model drive is this?

    It's a Maxtor Maxline+2 7200rpm 8MB IDE ATA133.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 460
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    http://www.pcupgrade.co.uk/productsDisplay.asp?keywords=Hard+Drive+-+IDE%2FATA%2FUDMA

    Somewhere down the bottom of this page. £99.95+VAT so basically £117.50 odd not too bad price at all. See how the drive fills, if there are no problems then i think i shall order one :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 460
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    Bit off topic this but, i have got a program that i want to keep forever pretty much, any way i can transfer this over to the other new drive since the new drive probs would be formatted?
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    bluestrawbluestraw Posts: 2,081
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    Pokermon2004,

    Once it's full, can you try a few power cycles? Then check the ends of recordings to see if they all play okay. That really would be a great test that the 17 min bug is gone!
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    Bill SBill S Posts: 124
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    Well done Pokermon. Nice that someone has the guts to try something that so many said was impossible. :cool:

    Keep up with the updates!
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    andyjbandyjb Posts: 67
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    Shouldn't this thread be merged with the venerable existing thread:

    http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=30514

    Be that as it may:
    andyjb wrote:
    [. . .] Thanks to some of you, we'll soon know whether the hardware (controller) in the existing boxes really can't cope with more than 137gb. [. . .]
    I should have written "Thanks to pokermon2004"! Well done so far; at least one of us is dying to get the next update from you. The 137gb limit should have been reached at about 68 hours (137 divided by 2, since 40gb is supposed to deliver 20 hours), so if you can see and use over 80 hours worth, that's pretty conclusive - especially IF the recordings survive "pulling the plug".

    It's so too-good-to-be-true that I won't be able to believe it until it's worked for you a bit longer.

    If I had a 250gb lying around, I'd be trying it too. Anyone else?
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    Sky MinusSky Minus Posts: 138
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    This prospect is so mouth watering that I have given-up my lurker status!

    250gb....yum yum.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12
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    OK - here's the latest update:

    I got up to around 95 hours of recordings before the box seemed to think it had ran out of space. I had expected to get to about 109 hours, but I can live with 95 hours - at £120 or so for a 250GB drive, it's a lot cheaper than £399 for a new 160GB box and less usable space :D

    No sign of 17 minute bug issues with recordings made after the software upgrade, although some recordings retained from before the upgrade still exhibited the problem (although, interestingly, not all at 17 minutes - some were later).

    Also rebooted several times and performed a Planner Rebuild several times without any problems.

    I've now decided to start afresh (as I had nothing particularly important saved) and have deleted almost everything that was recorded (just need the missus to catch up on several missed episodes of Holby City :yawn: ).

    I'll then fill up with new recordings and see how much it can take and (hopefully) confirm the absence of the 17 minute bug-like issues on all recordings. Will also power cycle, rebuild planner and anything else anyone wants to suggest (within reason!).

    Thanks for the comments - have learned a lot from the forum over the last few months so it's nice to be able to give something back!
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    bluestrawbluestraw Posts: 2,081
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    Pokermon,

    Thanks for the update! One suggestion - once you delete everything, you should do a 'Housekeeping'. This will wipe the whole disc, and make sure the format is in its latest version. If you don't, you're likely to see more '17 min bugs', even on later recordings!
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    dslrocksdslrocks Posts: 7,207
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    What happens if you stick the Sky+HD into your PC?

    Will the PC be able to read the information on the Sky+ HD and be able to play it back
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 69
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    This sounds really good, however would appreciate some help with 17min problem:

    I have Pace V1 and V2 boxes both with 120GB drives in.

    I still get the 17 min problem, however I have not preformed Housekeeping on the drives since S/W download.

    Do I need to do this to cure 17 min problem ?

    Will it cure the 17 min problem for both boxes ?

    Also what does the planner rebuild function actually do ?

    One more question ! what does the yellow messages button do ?


    Sorry the questions are slightly of the thread....


    Thanks for your help
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    andyjbandyjb Posts: 67
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    Pokermon for president!
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