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ntl publishes plans for EPG

Ofcom's Code on Electronic Programme Guides (the Code)

ntl's Statement

Ensuring Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory Treatment for all Channels and Appropriate Prominence for Public Service Broadcaster (PSB) Channels


Under the Code, ntl, as a provider of its own electronic programme guide (EPG) is required to publish a statement explaining:

a) its approach to ensuring that PSB channels are accorded appropriate prominence within listings on the EPG

b) it's general approach to allocating listings for all channels.

To date, ntl's channel numbers have differed across the legacy Cable and Wireless and ntl systems. As two separate companies, channels were broadly listed by their perceived popularity with customers. When ntl acquired the residential cable business of Cable and Wireless, a policy was adopted of listing new channels on a "first come, first served" basis -at the bottom of the channel list. This represented the most practical and expedient way of allocating listings to new channels in the post-acquisition environment and in the context of non-integrated systems. However, ntl recognises that this is not the most logical method of allocating numbers from a customer's perspective, and therefore plans to conduct a large-scale renumbering exercise in the second half of 2005. The intent of the renumbering will be to group channels by genre to simplify ease of navigation for customers. In advance of this large-scale exercise, ntl may start to apply the new genre approach for any new channel launches in the interim. ntl will be mindful in any event of the need to ensure that PSB channels are given appropriate prominence.

ntl does not own any content itself and therefore, subject to the requirements of the Code and the need to provide the most logical listings experience for our customers, is entirely objective in its approach to channel listings, the primary motive being to ensure simplicity and clarity for our Digital TV customers.

Irrespective of the individual channel numbers allocated by ntl, the EPG provides customers with functionality to wholly personalise the order in which channels are listed to suit their own preference (for example all of the childrens' channels could be moved to the top of the list if a parent wanted to make these easily accessible for his/her children). Therefore, when ntl introduces the new numbering it is important that customers can intuitively find where the channels have been moved to - and from that point a customer can then choose the order in which their channels are listed should they wish to do so.

This statement explains ntl's current approach to channel listings and its new approach from 2005. It is in three parts.
  • The first part explains ntl's current approach to channel numbering which has been based, historically, on operating non-integrated systems.
  • The second part introduces the new approach that ntl intends to adopt in 2005, when a large-scale renumbering exercise will be implemented.
  • The third part explains ntl's approach to ensuring that PSB channels are accorded appropriate prominence.
Part 1 ntl's channel numbering approach to date

The rationale behind ntl's channel numbering has changed as ntl's Digital TV service has matured. Initially, as two separate companies (ntl and Cable and Wireless) each broadly positioned channels higher up the list according to their perceived popularity with customers. However, no numbers were the same because ntl used 3 digits only, whereas Cable and Wireless used 1, 2 and 3 digit numbers.

When ntl acquired the residential cable business of Cable and Wireless, a new policy of "unity" was adopted. For technical and marketing reasons it was decided to launch new channels on the same number across both platforms. This guided the decision to allocate new channels the next available space at the bottom of both channel lists - on a "first come, first served" basis.

In advance of the large-scale channel renumbering exercise, ntl may start to apply the new genre approach for any future channel launches. Such an approach will be applied in the interests of the customer - to gradually start introducing the idea of a more logical genre approach. This will only apply to new channel launches - ntl does not intend to move channels on a piecemeal basis in the intervening months, as this will not be in the interests of the customer. The large-scale exercise will be supported by considerable communication, which could not be conducted to the same extent for gradual changes.

Part 2 ntl's new channel numbering approach

ntl recognises that the current approach to channel numbering is not logical from a customer's perspective. A large-scale renumbering exercise to group all channels by genre is therefore planned. There is no firm date for this project, although it is expected that it will occur during the second half of 2005.

Research among ntl customers indicated a high level of support for channels to be grouped in a more logical, genre based order - 85% of ntl's customers were keen or very keen for ntl to adopt this approach.

Within each genre ntl will consistently provide the most logical listings experience for our customers.
  • Childrens channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
  • Documentary channels will be ordered by content, popularity and brand
  • Entertainment channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
  • Foreign specialist channels will be ordered by audience, popularity and brand
  • Movie channels will be ordered by popularity and brand
  • Music channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
  • News channels will ordered by popularity and content
  • Radio channels will be ordered alphabetically to make searching through 40+ channels the most transparent
  • Shopping channels will be ordered by popularity and brand
  • Sports channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
  • Adult specialist channels will be ordered by popularity and brand
Some channel providers have expressed an interest in having the same channel number across all Digital platforms for promotional/marketing reasons. ntl will have due regard to these requests and will endeavour to co-operate where appropriate provided that this meets ntl's overriding objective of satisfying the interests of our customers and is not detrimental to the integrity of the overall numbering approach.

ntl will conduct periodic internal reviews of the numbers allocated to channels and will allow channel providers appropriate opportunity to participate in those reviews.

ntl will leave some channel numbers vacant to ensure that there is flexibility to re-position individual channels in the future without impacting all channels. This will create the least confusion for customers. Channel providers (including PSB's) should understand that this is in the interests of all channels and ntl would not generally support requests from channel providers to move into these vacant slots.

As a content-neutral platform operator, ntl feels it is important to give customers the tools to personalise their Digital TV service to suit their individual preferences. A tool to "Rearrange channels" is therefore available within the Settings feature. The channel numbers themselves are not changed (so a customer will always type in, say, 101 for BBC One and 103 for ITV1). However, ITV1 does not have to remain in the third position on a list customised by the viewer. For example, a customer could move E4 (say on 144) in between the BBC and ITV channels - ie pressing Channel + will go from 101 to 102 to 144 to 103 to 104 etc) if that was their preference. Therefore, when ntl introduces the new numbering it is important that customers can intuitively find where the channels have moved to - and from that point they can then create a unique order that suits the viewing in their household.

ntl is confident that its new numbering approach will ensure that all channels are treated on a fair, reasonable, non discriminatory and objectively justifiable basis.

Part 3 ntl's approach to appropriate prominence for PSB's

ntl is committed to ensuring that PSB channels are given appropriate prominence within the relevant genre that they appear. ntl's interpretation of appropriate prominence will not, however, automatically position all PSB channels at the top of the relevant genre. All decisions will be made on the basis of what customers would find most logical.

There is a logical precedent in the market with the expectation that certain channels will be numbered in a certain way - BBC1 is generally 101, BBC 2 is 102, ITV is 103 etc. We believe that any modification to this de facto order would be inadvisable and confusing for customers and would therefore propose to maintain this. Other channels broadcast by PSB broadcasters but specifically targeted at certain audiences (for example CBeebies) would be listed in the relevant genre.



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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,237
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    m_perry wrote:
    • Childrens channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
    • Documentary channels will be ordered by content, popularity and brand
    • Foreign specialist channels will be ordered by audience, popularity and brand
    • Movie channels will be ordered by popularity and brand
    • News channels will ordered by popularity and content
    • Radio channels will be ordered alphabetically
    Why not just sort all the channels the same way? :-)
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    koantemplationkoantemplation Posts: 101,293
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    Just as long as I can still organise my favourites like before I don't mind what numbering they use. I use the channel up and down, or jump to the nearest number I can remeber eg I jump to ch 111 (LivingTV) and go up 2 channels to Halmarks (190) when I can't remember it's channel number.
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    paul_hadleypaul_hadley Posts: 10,692
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    Here's an idea:

    0: Front Row Previews
    1-100: Terrestrial Channels and General Entertainment *
    101-200: Documentary and News
    201-300: Movies
    301-350: Sports
    351-400: Children's Entertainment
    401-500: Music
    501-600: Shopping
    601-650: Foreign
    651-700: Premium Add-Ons ****
    701-800: Radio
    801-997: ** Free Space **
    998: my ntl home
    999: ntl Products and Services

    * Including BBC ONE England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. BBC 2W, etc. **** Including Adult.

    My channel numbering idea will be the same for Bromley and Langley platforms, and if it gets too packed out in the end, you can always remove some channel space from certain sections and use up the even more free space 801-997.
    Childrens channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
    Documentary channels will be ordered by content, popularity and brand
    Entertainment channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
    Foreign specialist channels will be ordered by audience, popularity and brand
    Movie channels will be ordered by popularity and brand
    Music channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
    News channels will ordered by popularity and content
    Radio channels will be ordered alphabetically to make searching through 40+ channels the most transparent
    Shopping channels will be ordered by popularity and brand
    Sports channels will be ordered by popularity, audience and brand
    Adult specialist channels will be ordered by popularity and brand
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4
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    Here's an idea:

    0: Front Row Previews
    1-100: Terrestrial Channels and General Entertainment *
    101-200: Documentary and News
    201-300: Movies
    301-350: Sports
    351-400: Children's Entertainment
    401-500: Music
    501-600: Shopping
    601-650: Foreign
    651-700: Premium Add-Ons ****
    701-800: Radio
    801-997: ** Free Space **
    998: my ntl home
    999: ntl Products and Services
    Nice - then all they need to do is make it easier to browse the different genres by re-enabling the "Page Up/Dn" keys whilst browsing with Left/Right.

    So if I decide to order my favourites in the same genres, Page Dn will take me to the first favourite channel in my list for each genre, then loop around to the first non-favourite channel in the 1-100 genre, 101-200 genre, etc.
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    orangeballoonorangeballoon Posts: 10,952
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    how can you order by popularity??

    fashions change, so will the order?!!

    even itv was showing record rating lows this year, so where will it go, 932?

    so in 5 years can we see one channel sue ntl because the "popularity" position is wrong and its damaging their business...

    it should be done by program type and age of service. its the fairest as otherwise popularity will be wrong after a while, alphabet and number would just lead to the aaa111taxi telephone type listings...
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,033
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    Here's an idea:

    1-100: Terrestrial Channels and General Entertainment *

    Sorry, but no no no no NO! Subjecting us Langley people to single and double digit numbers would be a disaster.

    When I lived in Manchester, I remember it being SO annoying. Say I was trying to tune to Paramount (105) - I would usually end up with either BBC1 (1) or BBC News 24 (10) the first couple of times before I remembered it was a race to get all the digits in!

    Your list is otherwise very good, but entertainment HAS to be 101-199 (or 101-299). :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 312
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    Telewest's numbering scheme is great, all ntl: need to do is copy that so that all channels have to say is "SKY 155, CABLE 234" in promotions if you get me.
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    ogrynogryn Posts: 3,729
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    It looks like everyone will be going to three digit numbers from the last paragraph.

    Do you think Shopping will be in the 600's since they moved Express Shopping there? (and they stated that new channels will be put into the category scheme from now on)

    The only thing with the radio stations is that if you order them alphabetically, you'll be in trouble when new stations launch and have to move stations (unless ntl don't plan to carry anymore radio)

    Finally, I'm pleased that they have a coherent scheme for the transition. Well done ntl (don't delay it now! ;) )
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 339
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    I think ntl might do it gradually because the new channels launched recently seem to go in and appropriate
    i.e.

    118 ITV3
    637 Express
    145 E4+1
    902 Prem Plus2

    and i dont know if anyone noticed but why has the guest channel moved to 108?? i turned to 106 and found a message saying it has moved
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    ogrynogryn Posts: 3,729
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    Maybe, if they are renumbering, 106 would be too close to the PSB broadcasters

    101: BBCOne
    102: BBCTwo
    103: ITV1
    104: Channel4
    105: Five
    107: my: ntlHome
    108: Guest Channel
    109: Channel ntl

    115: BBCThree
    116: BBCFour
    117: ITV2
    118: ITV3
    ...in future?

    (I hope not though. Information Channels should be away from Entertainment channels, IMO)
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    Digi ManDigi Man Posts: 18,809
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    I think ntl might do it gradually because the new channels launched recently seem to go in and appropriate
    i.e.

    118 ITV3
    637 Express
    145 E4+1
    902 Prem Plus2

    and i dont know if anyone noticed but why has the guest channel moved to 108?? i turned to 106 and found a message saying it has moved


    Could it be for Sky One to go on 106 and Sky Mix to go on 107 the same as Sky Digital??
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 339
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    ogryn wrote:
    Maybe, if they are renumbering, 106 would be too close to the PSB broadcasters

    101: BBCOne
    102: BBCTwo
    103: ITV1
    104: Channel4
    105: Five
    107: my: ntlHome
    108: Guest Channel
    109: Channel ntl

    115: BBCThree
    116: BBCFour
    117: ITV2
    118: ITV3
    ...in future?

    (I hope not though. Information Channels should be away from Entertainment channels, IMO)
    109 is being used as ondemand2 they might move that to 111 though and put it as you said but with ondemand2 at 111 which would make a lot more sence being after ondemand1
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    ogrynogryn Posts: 3,729
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    What is ondemand1 and 2? TVOD Preview Channels?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 339
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    ogryn wrote:
    What is ondemand1 and 2? TVOD Preview Channels?
    as far as i know they are special events channels for example ppv wrestling will be shown on that channel
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    ogrynogryn Posts: 3,729
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    Well, when the reshuffle happens, those channels shouldn't be there anymore. VOD would be implemented by then.
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    trebor_mintstrebor_mints Posts: 1,172
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    ogryn wrote:
    Well, when the reshuffle happens, those channels shouldn't be there anymore. VOD would be implemented by then.

    except those areas that haven't got the decent infrastructure :)
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    ogrynogryn Posts: 3,729
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    lol. Good point (wishful thinking on my part, perhaps :D)
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    paul_hadleypaul_hadley Posts: 10,692
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    I think ntl might do it gradually because the new channels launched recently seem to go in and appropriate
    i.e.

    118 ITV3
    637 Express
    145 E4+1
    902 Prem Plus2

    and i dont know if anyone noticed but why has the guest channel moved to 108?? i turned to 106 and found a message saying it has moved

    I don't see Prem Plus 2 on my EPG?
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    paul_hadleypaul_hadley Posts: 10,692
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    Here's a revised idea:

    0: Front Row Previews
    100-200: Terrestrial Channels and General Entertainment *
    201-300: Documentary and News
    301-400: Movies
    401-550: Sports
    551-600: Children's Entertainment
    601-700: Shopping
    701-800: Music
    801-850: Foreign
    851-900: Premium Add-Ons ****
    901-950: Radio
    951-997: ** Free Space **
    998: my ntl home
    999: ntl Products and Services

    * Including BBC ONE England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. BBC 2W, etc. **** Including Adult.

    My channel numbering idea will be the same for Bromley and Langley platforms, and if it gets too packed out in the end, you can always remove some channel space from certain sections and use up the even more free space 951-997. Shopping was changed to the 600's as someone suggested about Express Shopping.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,072
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    I don't see Prem Plus 2 on my EPG?

    Langley only.

    Needed when there are 2 PPV matches on the same day!
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    paul_hadleypaul_hadley Posts: 10,692
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    OK. Will we be able to hide channels we don't subscribe to in the new Bromley software?
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    ogrynogryn Posts: 3,729
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    Here's a revised idea:

    0: Front Row Previews
    100-200: Terrestrial Channels and General Entertainment *
    201-300: Documentary and News
    301-400: Movies
    401-550: Sports
    551-600: Children's Entertainment
    601-700: Shopping
    701-800: Music
    801-850: Foreign
    851-900: Premium Add-Ons ****
    901-950: Radio
    951-997: ** Free Space **
    998: my ntl home
    999: ntl Products and Services

    * Including BBC ONE England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. BBC 2W, etc. **** Including Adult.

    My channel numbering idea will be the same for Bromley and Langley platforms, and if it gets too packed out in the end, you can always remove some channel space from certain sections and use up the even more free space 951-997. Shopping was changed to the 600's as someone suggested about Express Shopping.


    I'd whack Movies 300-349, Sport 350-399 and Music 400-xxx .... otherwise I agree :D
    OK. Will we be able to hide channels we don't subscribe to in the new Bromley software?
    I doubt it. It has been said it is the same as Langley, so all you get is a button to move all unsubscribed channels to the end of the list.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,581
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    I doubt it very much. It's a deliberate ploy by them to tempt you into subscribing to the channels you don't have.

    Browneggsandham :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 629
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    What is EPG?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,581
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    EPG = Electronic Program Guide.

    It's the thing onscreen that tell you what's on.

    Browneggsandham :)
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