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Upgrades start 8th March

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Roll out begins 8th march with new tiers avaiable immediately to new
customers.

750K & 1.5Mb customers receive a free automatic upgrade to 2Mb and 3Mb,
there will be no change to their usage allowance & a postal letter will
inform them of their free upgrade (a webpage will inform them when their
upgrade will take place)

750K customers with a black (Pace) Set Top Box receive a free automatic
upgrade to 1Mb, as this is the maximum speed this equipment can support.
There will be no change to their usage allowance, & this service will
not be available to other existing or new customers. & a postal letter
will inform them of their free upgrade, & for customers willing to
arrange a visit to their home, we will be happy to provide a free Set
Top Box swap-out to receive the 2Mb service.

300K customers can upgrade to 1Mb, if they accept a 3GB/month usage
allowance, these customers can upgrade online or by calling customer
services
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Current Broadband Only offers will cease - 3Mths 1/2 price Broadband &
£15.99/£19.99

New Broadband Only offers will commence - 1st Month free - All Speeds


How much will the new services cost?
 1Mb - £17.99 (3GB monthly usage allowance)
 2Mb - £24.99 (1GB daily usage allowance)
 3Mb - £37.99 (1GB daily usage allowance)

Q. Which ntl Broadband customers are being automatically upgraded?
Current 750K and 1.5Mb customers receive a free automatic upgrade to 2Mb
and 3Mb. The customer doesn’t need to do anything – no extra equipment
is needed or for an engineer to visit. A postal letter will be sent to
them shortly. At the same time a microsite will inform them when their
upgrade will take place. Further details will be provided in a PIB
before letters are sent to customers.

Current 750K customers with a black (Pace) Set Top Box will be
automatically upgraded to 1Mb, as this is the maximum speed their
equipment can support. There is no change to their usage allowance,
therefore differentiating it from the new 1Mb service with a 3GB
allowance for £17.99. This service will not be available to any other
customers. A postal letter will be sent informing them of the upgrade.
For customers willing to arrange a visit to their home, we will be happy
to swap out the black (Pace) Set Top Box for a new silver (Samsung) Set
Top Box at no extra cost to them.

Q. When will this automatic upgrade take place?
The majority of 750K and 1.5Mb customers will be upgraded in the coming
weeks. However, some customers are currently served on areas of the
network which must be upgraded to ensure that all of our customers
continue to receive a high quality of service. The process of network
upgrades is anticipated to be completed within the next few months.

Q. Why are 300K customers not included in the automatic upgrade?
300K customers are required to accept a different usage allowance of
3GB/month to upgrade to 1Mb. 3GB/month is more than enough for most
customers, allowing for approx 10 hours of surfing per day. Customers
who wish to upgrade receive it for free and can do it online or by
calling customer services. Customers who choose to stay with the 300K
service may do so.

Q. Can existing customers upgrade to the new speeds and then move back
to an old speed?
No. Once a customer has upgraded to the new speeds they cannot move back
to an old speed. (i.e. 300K, 750K or 1.5Mb services)

Q. Can existing customers transfer between the old speeds?
No. Existing customers cannot upgrade or downgrade between old speeds.
 No movement between 300K, 750K, or 1.5Mb
 Alternatively, the customer can upgrade to a new speed (1Mb, 2Mb or 3Mb)
 Any further tier migration should only be a re-grade between 1Mb, 2Mb
or 3Mb

Q. What are the upstream speeds for the new services?
 1Mb - 100K upstream
 2Mb - 200K upstream
 3Mb - 300K upstream

Q. Will there be usage allowances on the new services?
Yes, ntl’s usage allowances for the new services are as follows:
 1Mb - £17.99 – 3GB per month
 2Mb - £24.99 – 1GB per day (same as 750K usage allowance)
 3Mb - £37.99 – 1GB per day (same as 1.5Mb usage allowance)

What happens if I reach my usage allowance?

Customers with the existing services or 2Mb & 3Mb (1GB per day)
Ntl reserves the right to contact customers who regularly exceed their
daily usage allowance, where such excessive use impacts the quality of
service for other ntl broadband customers.

Customers with the 1Mb service (3GB per month)
Ntl will be monitoring across the network to identify customers who
routinely exceed their data allowance, but not enforcing this allowance
until later in 2005. Before that time, ntl will be deploying new
capabilities that will allow each customer to view their usage levels.
Thereafter, customers who exceed their data allowance in any given month
will be given options, which may include, for example, the ability to:
 Upgrade to a tier of service with a higher usage limit
 Choose to be billed for any incremental usage above their limit
 Choose to use the service for the remainder of the month at a lower speed
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,673
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    Wahey, finally, confirmation!

    Ta for this!
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    MurkMurk Posts: 1,203
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    Still seems strange to me that NTL itself has not confirmed this on the official website or sent letters to existing cutomers (like me) saying that these updates are happening so until that time I will not believe it
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 178
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    Well there was no admi fee!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 938
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    Murk wrote:
    Still seems strange to me that NTL itself has not confirmed this on the official website or sent letters to existing cutomers (like me) saying that these updates are happening so until that time I will not believe it

    lol

    Can you imagine how many people would have called ntl CS about the upgrade if they sent out the mailshots in advance??

    It's happening, believe it or not mate!
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    toots66toots66 Posts: 140
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    mjeff wrote:
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    Q. What are the upstream speeds for the new services?
     1Mb - 100K upstream
     2Mb - 200K upstream
     3Mb - 300K upstream
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    So what upstream speed does a current 750k customer with a Pace STB get after the increase to 1Mb: an increase to 200k or a decrease to 100k?
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    thelemthelem Posts: 1,478
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    I would assume they would get an increase to 200k, because ntl are trying to provide as close to the 2Mb service as they can on a Pace STB.

    Am I right in thinking the current upload speeds are 64/128/256?
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    MurkMurk Posts: 1,203
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    lol

    Can you imagine how many people would have called ntl CS about the upgrade if they sent out the mailshots in advance??

    It's happening, believe it or not mate!

    Well it may be happening but all the things people keep coming up with on here like caps and things may not be so wot is the point in speculating
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    JRHJRH Posts: 6,588
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    Yes, you're right, the lem. :)

    Sadly, I'm sticking with 300k. 3GB a month is no use. When my pockets are a little better lined, I might go upto 2Mb - not that I need 2Mb down, I just need at least 1GB a day for piece of mind - although, 200k up isn't to be sniffed at. :)

    I'd be a lot happier if they could do 1Mb with 1GB a day at something like £20.99 a month, but I can't see it happening. :(

    EDIT: I'm not sure -

    "Ntl will be monitoring across the network to identify customers who
    routinely exceed their data allowance, but not enforcing this allowance
    until later in 2005. Before that time, ntl will be deploying new
    capabilities that will allow each customer to view their usage levels.
    Thereafter, customers who exceed their data allowance in any given month
    will be given options, which may include, for example, the ability to:
     Upgrade to a tier of service with a higher usage limit
     Choose to be billed for any incremental usage above their limit
     Choose to use the service for the remainder of the month at a lower speed"


    I'm not sure about this. So, the 3GB cap will only be enforced when we will be able to see our usage levels? Until we can see them, will be able to use as much as we like - e.g. if I wanted to use 20GB in a month, I could?

    Assuming they'll give us a couple of months, I'd be happy to go onto 1Mb, and then regrade to 2Mb. Or, if I go over, could I go back down to 300k for the rest of the month?

    :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 938
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    Murk wrote:
    Well it may be happening but all the things people keep coming up with on here like caps and things may not be so wot is the point in speculating

    Well just pay attention to the things I've put on here about them, as all are official :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 112
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    I'll be going up to 1mb, i doubt they'll enforce it much and i only go about 1gb over lol
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 61
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    I think its pretty obvious when they get the equipment 1mb is going to be monitored, whilst 2/3mb are just going to be the way they are now; its roughly the same wording as now.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 97
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    As i will have an allowance of 1gig/day does anyone know if the usage will be aggregated over the full month or monitered strictly on a daily basis..eg...if i stay under 30 gigs in a given month but over shoot on a few days of the month will Ntl penalise that..
    bigwardo. :rolleyes:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 367
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    Yet another teeth knashing cap thread, I wonder sometimes whether the people who constantly engage in turning anything into a nauseating cap thread have any life at all. There is a world beyond the Internet, take up a sport or something.



    :eek:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 97
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    :) ...and what may i ask should one be doing @10:53 on a sat. morning??.....If some ppl like me decide to engage in a forum which may or may not answer relevant questions about a part of our lifestyle does that mean we don't engage in other activities??? Does that mean we won't be looking forward to a relaxing evening in the pub watching the footie?? Does that mean we won't be going out at night with our freinds,partners etc..?? I'll have you know my friend that i,like many others here,lead a very active life indeed ,and besides,what business is it of yours anyways.
    bigwardo.. :rolleyes:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5
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    bigwardo wrote:
    As i will have an allowance of 1gig/day does anyone know if the usage will be aggregated over the full month or monitered strictly on a daily basis..eg...if i stay under 30 gigs in a given month but over shoot on a few days of the month will Ntl penalise that..
    bigwardo. :rolleyes:

    The way it reads, to me anyway, the 2/3M will be measured on a daily basis whilst the 1M will be spread over the month.
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    njeonjeo Posts: 6,341
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    I'm glad theres an option to pay for additional usage... roll on 8th March... which is really soon :)
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    JRHJRH Posts: 6,588
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    njeo wrote:
    I'm glad theres an option to pay for additional usage... roll on 8th March... which is really soon :)
    Yeah, but they haven't told us. I'd be happy if we could have a 30GB 1Mb option - whatever happens, charging per GB isn't on, it's always too pricey.
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    DieDieMyDarlingDieDieMyDarling Posts: 4,809
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    aller wrote:
    Yet another teeth knashing cap thread, I wonder sometimes whether the people who constantly engage in turning anything into a nauseating cap thread have any life at all. There is a world beyond the Internet, take up a sport or something.



    :eek:

    Yet you feel the need to comment.... all the sports taken up? :D
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 398
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    It contradicts itself I think. In the first place it says 1GB a day then it goes on to say over the 30GB a month..These are two different caps..

    Or did I read it wrong? I think it may be the same as now...Hope so.

    What happens in February??
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 398
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    Please anyone.... 1gb a day or 30gb a month???? Two very different caps...
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    JRHJRH Posts: 6,588
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    I believe it's 30GB a month (officially), but I'd treat it as 1GB a day, personally - I'm not 100%, though.

    There are two questions still on my mind;
    a) What happens if when the 3GB a month 1Mb cap is brought in, if you go over 3GB? 56k speed, nothing, or charged per GB - I want a full answer from NTL on that one.
    b) Will a 'new' 300k tier be introduced at the same time or before the 1Mb/3GB cap is brought in?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 515
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    jhnewark --
    a) not sure myself yet. the system for hard cap monitoring is not yet in place. that is why it will not be hard monitored for the end of the year

    b) no. as far as i have read the following is true:
    you can stay on the 300k (but prey ur modem never needs altering on the system as there is no going back)
    if you upgrade to 1mb there is no going back you will not then be able to go back to the 300k service

    this will probably be the last piece of information you get from me as i am leaving technical support and ibm at the end of the month for pastures new. :D
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    JRHJRH Posts: 6,588
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    Nostra wrote:
    jhnewark --
    a) not sure myself yet. the system for hard cap monitoring is not yet in place. that is why it will not be hard monitored for the end of the year

    b) no. as far as i have read the following is true:
    you can stay on the 300k (but prey ur modem never needs altering on the system as there is no going back)
    if you upgrade to 1mb there is no going back you will not then be able to go back to the 300k service

    this will probably be the last piece of information you get from me as i am leaving technical support and ibm at the end of the month for pastures new. :D
    a) It doesn't really worry me, as much as b!

    b) Well, according to the CEO, a 'new' 300k tier at £15.99 will be introduced, so I was thinking that that would be launched before or around the time of hard capping - if that's the case (and he did say), then surely it'd be fair to let people move down onto that 'new' tier (noted that once you've moved to 1Mb, you can't go back to 300k, unless 300k is re-introduced).

    Oh - sad to hear you're another good one who's leaving, but, hey-ho, good luck with the future! :)
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 515
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    it might possibly be the case that there will be a further tier, but there is nothing on the cards that we have been advised of.

    and thanks for the good luck :)
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    JRHJRH Posts: 6,588
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    Nostra wrote:
    it might possibly be the case that there will be a further tier, but there is nothing on the cards that we have been advised of.

    and thanks for the good luck :)
    OK, no probs. :)

    But of course, with me being on the 'Simon Duffy Scrutinising Committee', I refer to page 14 of this. :D:p
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