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Is it true that from tomorrow night we won't be allowed to listen to UK radio from abroad?
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The various bodies controlling copyright and the paynments that radio stations have to make to play music have decided that if you want to stream to listeners outside the UK then you will have to pay extra.
Many stations have therefore taken the view that rather than pay extra they will restrict their streams to UK residents. Though most seem to be doing so by asking for a postcode input if they detect your IP address as being non UK.
I'm sure there is a work around for that .......;)
Is there going to be a problem with downloading foreign radio in the UK?
Given that there are more than 100 countries in the world, and each of these licences will have associated red tape and rules (which may be mutually incompatible), this is totally impossible in practical terms. Each licence will also have a cost, which will have been set assuming that it would be the only fee that each station would pay, not one fee of 100+. It is an outright ban on international streaming out of the UK by the back door.
I in no way condone or advocate breaking the law however.
If that's true, then as you said that's just a total ban. No radio station (except maybe one that targets an international audience like the World Service) would ever go to the bother of obtaining a licence for each and every single country in the world.
But... how exactly do they have any jurisdiction to force people to take out licences in foreign countries? Surely it's up to the foreign country to
And more importantly, why the heck would they do this? What possible advantage is there in banning UK stations from streaming abroad? All that will happen is people abroad will listen to stations from other countries, and there's plenty of other English-language stations out there. I regularly listen to a Japanese English-language station for example.
These two things make me think there must be something more to it than just wanting a ban on international stations in the UK.
HOWEVER
I think that it's a stupid burocatic (sp?) decision from this nanny state. As long as the relevant artists are paid for their work to be aired I can't see any reason why we shouldn't be proud to have the world listening to our broadcasts.
The only exception to this I belive should be the BBC stations as they are paid by the licence fee forced** upon UK viewers and should be available via subscription.
**I fully support the licence fee.
In this current climate where the UK and US are apperantly world enemy No. 1, though this is another argument and one which I don't aggree) Why would any sane goverment :rolleyes: wont to restrict it's countries output to the world.
hmmm. most pple can find a UK postcode from abroad. i think it will be turned into something like the BBC version. i tried to listen to radio 5 from the US and they blocked it cuz of my IP address or ISP. however it was done it wasnt a postcode
Basically it boils down to how broadcast rights for radio and internet streaming are licenced. The PPL have decided that they are only authorised to licence streams to the UK.
Many independent stations that cannot afford the technology and expensive additional web design required to do this will most likely cease streaming altogether.
I notice Resonance FM, the alternative/arts station from London, now come up "Stream not available" for me. Coincidence?
Why would they do this?
I think they want to kill internet radio. They see it as a threat to the status quo.
Same for me. none of their streams seem to work. WM Player and Real both can't do it
Edit: i just phone them up and they are doing some studio upgrades or something. Stream will be running from 1200 Hrs saturday
Must say though that is next to impossible to find any information about this on either organisations websites (at least in the public areas anyway).
And I don't think there is any intention to kill internet radio. Why would they? After all it is another revenue stream so why would they wish to close it off? Well the CRCA may see it as a threat of some kind but I doubt PPL have any problems with internet broadcasting as long as they get the fees.
http://www.isle-of-man.com/generalinformation/constitution&legal.shtml
Nothing to do with the state, PPL/PRS aren't government agencies
Not quite correct. You can apply for an Internet licence based upon the number of concurrent streams you are operating. It would be impossible to be broadcasting to 100 countries similtaneously if you only operate 20 concurrent streams.
If you wish to broadcast outside of the UK on an Internet Simulcast, you have to apply for an Internet Station licence from the PPL. http://www.ppluk.com/
The costs aren't massive (approx £60 a month) but the conditions include reporting station output, usage etc. which I reckon most stations won't want to be bothered with.
http://www.ppluk.com/ppl/ppl_lc.nsf/PDL/LicBroadcasting-Radio-Internet?OpenDocument
CRCA are offering an IP restricted service which will restrict audio streams to UK based ISP's only
I admit PPL's website does not appear to say this; but the terms and conditions have only just changed, I believe.
The "webcasters" section certainly appears to reflect the previous policy rather than the policy as of April 1st.
Most of the radio stations available from Sky Digital (Astra 28.2 East) can be heard all over Europe, although some of the BBC radio channels are on Astra 2D which has a much tighter footprint than the other satellites at 28.2 East. But even these can be picked up in Europe with a bigger dish.
Satellite radio will be much more difficult to restrict.
They could encrypt it instead of being free to air, but that would then be an extra cost to the broadcasters and would be a problem for people in the UK using satellite receivers without a Sky subscription card?
Tighter satellite footprint would just mean buying bigger dishes.
This applies to INTERNET streaming ONLY!