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Hello! This is a thread for anyone who likes wrestling to put their views on. Please try and stick to WWE but NWATNA can be disscussed as well.
At the moment these are my views:
1. Bishoff will stay. The Rock will come to Raw
2. Stone Cold will come to SmackDown!
3. Lesnar versus Angle at WrestleMania XIX. I would like to see a interesting stipulation. Stone Cold and The Rock will wrestle at WM but not against each other. I would like to see The Rock or Stone Cold rivaling with Steiner.
4. Triple H losing the title. I like his gimmick and he is the best heel of all time but he has had the title for too long.
5. MORE HLA PLEASE!
6. We need Raw on a non-premium channel like Sky One, not Sky Sports.
Thats about it. Post what you want..... about WWE that is!
At the moment these are my views:
1. Bishoff will stay. The Rock will come to Raw
2. Stone Cold will come to SmackDown!
3. Lesnar versus Angle at WrestleMania XIX. I would like to see a interesting stipulation. Stone Cold and The Rock will wrestle at WM but not against each other. I would like to see The Rock or Stone Cold rivaling with Steiner.
4. Triple H losing the title. I like his gimmick and he is the best heel of all time but he has had the title for too long.
5. MORE HLA PLEASE!
6. We need Raw on a non-premium channel like Sky One, not Sky Sports.
Thats about it. Post what you want..... about WWE that is!
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Triple H is getting beyond a Joke, he's carrying injuries, but won't drop the title, Steiners not fit enough to have a run with the strap, they've killed any crediblity the Book man had and Y2J, second ever Undisputed Champion and he ends up getting his ass kicked of Tommy Dreamer. Y2J should be champ again.
You all know where to go to find out.
1. Bishoff will stay. The Rock will come to Raw
(Bischoff is staying. The original plan was for the 30 days to tick down and make it look like Bischoff was gonna get fired, but then announce the signing of Goldberg. If Vince hadn't signed him in time they would announce Austin or Rock) ((Check Raw Spoilers))
2. Stone Cold will come to SmackDown!
(Check Raw Spoilers)
3. Lesnar versus Angle at WrestleMania XIX. I would like to see a interesting stipulation. Stone Cold and The Rock will wrestle at WM but not against each other. I would like to see The Rock or Stone Cold rivaling with Steiner.
(Lesnar Vs Angle is almost set in stone, especially with the way the Rumble went. I would expect HHH vs Austin for the WHT, and Rock Vs Goldberg. As for Steiner, after his terrible performance from the roided up freak at the Rumble, the fans have turned on him so I think his push might fall away)
4. Triple H losing the title. I like his gimmick and he is the best heel of all time but he has had the title for too long.
(Best heel of all time? Err no. Try Ric Flair or the Sheik)
5. MORE HLA PLEASE!
(No, this is one of the many things that have turned off fans in America. Just look at the ratings.)
Triple H needs to take some time off, this guy must have made enough money by now, he just manipulates the booking and the stroke he has, so that it makes him look good and makes whoever he's fighting look bad. Austin will end up on Smackdown! but RAW is and always will be Austins Show as Smackdown is Rocks, so Austin should be on Raw, but he wont as he doesn't like the way Triple H manipulates the writers.
People can argue that theres nobody who would make a suitable Champion on Raw except Triple H, but if they can give the Smackdown belt to a newbie like Lesnar, then why can't Raw use Y2J or Booker T as the Champion.
As for a certain superstar returning on Smackdown. I hope that he doesn't get his hands on the Title. I would like to see him have a good Run and leave on a High as he did in the past, but I don't think we'll see him past Wrestlemania. I've never been a fan of the Rock, but he'll be back for Mania because he wants the payoff. It's hard to say who Rock will face, but if he's Raw, then Steiner or Triple H.
I totally agree. The problem right now is that the WWE are using script writers with soap experience rather than people who know the wrestling business. Give people like Paul Heyman more freedom.
The WWE released Raven and Justin Credible from their contracts this week.. Such a shame I think.. I would have loved to see a Raven vs Dreamer angle and perhaps the reformation of the Impact Players with Lance Storm.. then again maybe im thinking too much ECW...
So long as HHH is in creative control of Raw it will be centered around him. Invaribly, most of the time we enjoy Raw when he is not on screen, but the focus is that Raw is HHH.. and reading the internet reports that is what Vinny Mac wants.. And that wont change soon, so Raw will go on being crap. Since the WWE bought WCW, its been one after another missed chance. What could have been an incredible couple of years of wrestling has been a hige dissapointment. Does anyone remember the Raw when ECW got back together? How good was that? Then all that was ruined by alligning with WCW and adding.. of all people, Stephanie McMahon.. Its all gone downhill from there.
Anyway, let me get off my soapbox..
My predictions for Wrestlemania: Angle vs Lesnar (obvious, however at No Way Out look for Lesnar to put his WM match on the line against Big Show or something).. The Rock vs Goldberg, Michaels vs Jericho (which will probably be Michaels' last match), Austin vs HHH for the Raw title, and RVD and Sabu vs Masato Tanaka and the Sandman in a double-ring-barbed-wire-no-rope-spiderglass-landmine-double-hell-explodingring-deathmatch.... ok maybe the last one wont happen
1. I know Lesnar vs. Angle at WMXIX is definate but i would like to see The Rock or Stone Cold vs. Goldberg in a semi-main event. I would like Steiner to be demoted after his awful performance at the RR.
2.I would like Kane to win the title. Seems fair i reckon.
...back in '97, Vince decided that gimmicks were old hat and we got a slew of more 'realistic' characters. Okay, so we also had our fair share of institutionalised burns victims, sex addicts, porn stars and pimps...but the real stars were just guys who wanted to win wrestling matches, and did so by various means.
The main problem over the last twelve months (apart from HHH, who is the main problem, period) has been that NONE of the top players has any sort of angle (not Kurt). Check this:
Rock: Big guy who talks trash and kicks ass, occasionally funny.
Austin: Big guy who talks trash and kicks ass, occasionally funny.
Taker: Big guy who talks trash and kicks ass, occasionally sells.
HHH: Big guy who talks and talks and talks and then kicks ass.
Brock: Big guy who kicks ass.
Hogan: Old big guy who pops the crowd then has bad matches.
Kurt: Big guy who talks trash and kicks ass, always funny.
HBK: Washed-up guy who pops the crowd but not much else.
Basically, there's no reason to boo or cheer any one of these guys over the others because the storylines are just "Wrestler A and Wrestler B fight over the belt, talk trash to each other, and then HHH wins in the end".
But in the last couple of weeks we've seen the seeds of some ACTUAL wrestling angles that could pan out long-term, giving guys something to fight about.
Sean O'Haire's gimmick looks absolutely brilliant - a sort of Al Pacino in Devil's Advocate figure. But, hey, i'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
Nathan Jones has that amazing Waylon Mercy gimmick re-tooled for him (the sort of brutal beatings delivered by a true philosopher thing), and despite his in-ring shortcomings, it should get over like gangbusters.
Team Angle is a nice little stable with which Kurt can surround himself - whether it be Brock or Benoit as his face adversary, he can play the HBK/DX-run-up-to-WM14 role and Brock/Benoit can play the face underdog role perfectly.
The 'Four Horsemen' of HHH, Flair, Batista and Orton looks like it could work brilliantly - the time is ripe for the sort of heel stable entire show domination, which we haven't really seen since the days of the HHH/Steph pairing. As long as we get some good faces (NOT Steiner) to play the Foley/Rock face axis, it could be huge.
I really enjoy the new tag pairings - Cena/Redd Dogg are doing the obnoxious hip-hop gimmick as well as 2Cool did prior to tham HAVING to be turned face. Storm and Regal are perfect partners but need a feud with heat. And D-Lo could be great if he got a partner.
All i really want is for Vince to start listening to the crowd pops and start arranging the roster according to how over they are. Booker T, Goldust and RVD are as over now as anyone on the roster, but are all buried in meaningless nothingness, while HHH and Steiner are boring the crowds and Show, B2, Batista, A-Train and the other useless heel monsters are just lost in the shuffle without ever looking like becoming big players.
If i was king (Not Lawler), i would have Wrestlemania shape up like this:
Brock vs Angle (w/ Team Angle PLUS everything in their corner)
Heel Rock vs Hogan (Rock comes back as a heel and kills Hogan for stealing his face pops etc)
Austin vs HHH (depending on Austin's return, if not then hotshot Benoit onto Raw and keep his push going)
Of course, in an ideal world then neither HHH nor Austin would be anywhere near the main event - i'd love to see Booker T as RAW's top face - perhaps a Fatal Fourway RAW title match between Booker, RVD, Jericho and HEEL GOLDDUST (with his new manager, Sean O'Haire)...i dunno.
There's so many places we could go with this. Personally, i'd like to see Brock and Benoit as Smackdown's top faces and Booker and RVD as Raw's...imagine how fresh the main events would look with Angle, Rock, Jericho and A.N Other as the topline heels.
The midcard is already stacked with great workers with potential gimmicks that just need to be exploited - Matt Hardy, Rey Misterio, Edge, Test, Sean O'Haire, Nathan Jones, Tajiri, Cena, Goldust et al.
I can see bright things in the future.
Of course HHH will just hold everybody down and f*ck it all up as soon as anyone starts getting over though...
The Rock as a Heel should provide a bit of entertainment but only for a short while!
I can't see Goldberg ever going to the WWE, especially with the current storylines!
Austin will of course come back, but we can only hope that the annoying WHAT!? storyline doesn't.
The Katie Vick angle was just terrible. Kane was supposed to have been locked away until he was 25, yet he was out in a Car with Katie Vick when it crashed at like 22?
The Matches have no meaning anymore. I think they should get Managers for main event Stars, such as angles where Stephanie was kidknapped by the Undertaker and rescued by Austin, they were great days, but now it's just "I'm gonna kick your ass for the title"
I don't think bringing back old guys is the answer, this is a new Generation, they need to push new tallent and get rid of the real Deadwood on the Roster. Guys like Bull Buccanon are going nowhere. Loose them.
No no no! That is an example of where the storylines have been written correctly - putting Lance and Regal into a situation where they are beating the hell out of JR and King (who in real terms are as big faces as anyone else on the roster) gives Regal/Storm great heel heat which they then can transition onto the team who 'rescues' JR and King.
The problem being that they chose the Dudleys, hotshotted the titles onto them and then did the old Dusty Finish back onto Regal and Storm, thus killing the angle, especially given that nobody *really* cared that the Duds had won the title, and everybody ACTUALLY wanted to see Booker and Goldust be the protaganists.
Erm...in what way was the Steph kidnap anything to do with managers for main-eventers? And how exactly does getting a manager give matches meaning?
You're looking at the wrong guys. Even Bull Buchanan can get over (witness B2, which was a gimmick as over as you can expect in the lower midcard). What needs to happen is for any returning old guys to give the rub to whoever Vince chooses to lead WWE into the next boom period - for my money it should be Booker, Brock, RVD, Angle and Benoit - and then get out of there.
Given that Austin, Hogan, HBK and Taker are all maybe one year at most before their drawing power and potential rub is gone, and that Rock is going to be a part-timer 4 LIFE, all that remains is for HHH to have a moment of clarity and realise that cutting everybody off at the knees when they pose ANY threat to him isn't helping him or the company. Once HHH's power has gone, then bury him and move on. If i want to remember how great he was, i've got the tapes from 2000, thanks.
while i agree that the four horsemen thing could be a good idea i cant help but criticise it due to the fact it was a triple h idea and more than likely done out of selfishness so as to hold back the pushes of batista and orton who by being alligned with triple selfish would never get any opportunity of a crack at a title shot
Stephanie wasn't a manager for a main eventer, but she was used in a Storyline featuring two main eventers to make a good angle. Managers could help give matches more meaning as they open up options. Say Rock comes back as a face and is managed by Hulk Hogan. Say Hogan can't wrestle due to injuries and is just a manager then Big show takes out Hogan badly, then that would give a potential match between him and the Rock more meaning. The only other way to give matches meaning is by having a Title on the line, but wheres the European and IC Belts?
Take this Fridays Raw for Example, a match involving Test and Jericho ends up with some nasty results for Stacy and it really had the fans fooled, some people thought it was real and others weren't sure. This will generate an Angle between Jericho and Test, as they fight over what happened to Stacey, but the fans believed it, which will give the match more meaning.
I think Arn Anderson would be a perfect Manager for Chris Benoit, who hasn't got the mic skills, which is holding him back from being Champion and Benoit needs some help.
As for the Regal and Storm thing, the titles are loosing Crediblity, especially since they dropped to the Dudleys only to get the Titles back. I agree that the Dudleys are the wrong choice for the angle, Booker T and Goldust are much better oponents. I still don't agree with Involving JR and King as the Colour commentators are supposed to be Heels like Paul Heyman who played the part perfectly. They should be left to call the shots as others get on with the Storylines.
Anyway, my ideal No Way Out Card leading to Wrestlemania...
Main Event - Kurt Angle (c) v Chris Benoit, 60 minute Iron Man match
HHH (c) v Scott Steiner - No DQ for the World Heavyweight Championship, therefore taking away most of the wrestling aspect, they can take rests as they pummel each other and the others three horsemen interferring.
Turn Taker heel and Brock vs Taker & Show for the Wrestlemania title shot - 1 vs 2 match.
Rey and Edge vs Eddie & Chavo (c) for the WWE Tag Team Championships
Trish v Victoria - Obligitory woments match
Regal & Storm (c) v Dudleys - Tables match for the World Tag Team Championship
Billy Kidman (c) vs Matt Hardy w/ Shannon Moore vs Jamie Noble vs Tajiri (The Japanese Buzzsaw) - Fatal Fourway for the WWE Cruiserweight Championship.
Plus the return of Stone Cold Steve Austin.
The only other way?!?!?! Erm...what about EVERY OTHER PLOT DEVICE IN THE WORLD? It's not just a choice between a strap or a manager. Kane and Jericho feuded over a CUP OF COFFEE. Austin and McMahon had the greatest feud of the modern era but neither of them ever had a 'manager', nor was anyone involved in the storyline on Austin's 'side'. In fact, when Debra got involved in Austin's angles, it sucked.
What is needed is simply BETTER storytelling. Angles that build and get over before being blown off. Not hotshotted title changes or angles that either play out in a night or get half-way through and then get dropped.
And having Arn (a heel) as manager for Benoit (a face) would achieve what exactly? Benoit has got more than enough on the stick to get over - all he has to do is have his gimmick of a pure shooter written well for him. All he has to do is smile, promise pain to his opponent and then carry it out with his typical intensity. Besides, Benoit has got super-over on just his mat skills, let alone personality.
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Dude, what's with the capitals in incongruous places? Or to put it another way...
The Titles are Losing Credibility? Have you even Been watching for The last three Years? The credibility Of the titles went To Shit in about 1997 when Russo decided on Twelve title Switches ever Single damn show. In any Case, titles should Only be used to get Workers over who need a big Strap of gold to Do So.
Get the hint? Okay, i'll continue.
So it's not right to involve non-wrestling characters like JR and King but to put managers in the middle of every angle is to be applauded? Riiiiiight.
I'm not ragging on you per se...it just seems to me that your thought processes are at best illogical, and at worst frickin' imbecilic. How long have you been a wrestling fan BTW? And a 'smart mark' like the rest of us on the net?
It's not his physical shape that worries me (although he could blow out at any moment). It's the fact that the entire gimmick is way past its sell-by-date. I mean honestly, after the monster pop when he returns, are people really going to want to see Austin vs Evil Owner again? The last time Austin was a legit asset to the company was when he re-tooled his gimmick to being 50% bad ass and 50% doofus with Kurt Angle - easily the best bits of WWF television since the days of DX's skits. I honestly can't see him lasting in any valuable function to the company (ie keeping buyrates up) for more than six months.
Sure, Benoit, Angle, Booker and Eddie could carry him to good matches, but he's not even half the Rattlesnake he was.
P.S Cena's gimmick is bad but he is such a great talker that it's getting over. I can't believe they didn't use his OVW Prototype gimmick.
Great, great post there sir. There are some excellent gimmicks popping up in the WWE right now.. I love Matt Hardys v1.0 gimmick.. O'Haire is looking great, and his time spent in OVW would have helped his in ring performances.. His promos are looking great. I cant wait to see Nathan Jones debut.. And I agree totally about Cena and his Prototype gimmick. I think Cena is very good on the mic and if he makes those lyrics up then I think hes really tallented.. although I would have still used him as the Prototype....
The gimmicks side of the WWE is doing well at the moment, I just wished they could get some good storylines and also focus properly on the wrestling!!
As for the nWo and DX group Ideas, they've been done many times before. The new Horsemen look good and Smackdown has team Angle. Theres not enough room with the roster split to have two stables on each show. Does anyone know what these "new Horsemen" will call themselves? or will it just be the four Horsemen?